Witness My Fury
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Which school of thought is right about How long were the Israelite's in Egypt 215 or 430 years?
by terrypike ina lot is out there about how long the israelite's were in egypt which can be devided into two schools of thought, those for bishop ushers 215 model or the ex 12: model which stays faithful to the 430 years to the very day ex 12:41 the israelite's left egypt.. historically the dispute goes back a long way at least to the time of jophesus who advocated the view that the isarelites were in canaan before they entered egypt true enough when taken at face value, but look more closely at what the bible says about when jacobs name was changed to israel and then ask the question is there any evidence in the bible that israel was used for the decendent's of abram, isaac or jacob before god changed the name of 97 year old jacob to israel?
a jw i invited to research this confirmed none could be found so that done it remains to look again at the definitions 'decendents' and 'israelite's' to further clarify.. the 400 years affliction as in gen 15: speaks of the decendents of abram only, nowhere does it say anything about the israelites, ex 12: on the other hand refers to the israelite's who came out of egypt 430 years to the very day and says nothing about the decendent's of abram so ex 12: is referring to 'israel' the decendent's of jacob not the decendent's of abram.
consider here that isaac the first born of the line of the promise and a decendent of abraham, died 180 years of age never having set foot in egypt, 10 years before 130 year old jacob/israel entered to reunite the tribal family's as one people, so by no stretch of the imagination can isaac be confused with the israelite's as is so easy to do when the ex 12: 430 year timeline is tied back to the days of abraham as is advocated by the bishop usher model that argues the israelite's were only in egypt 215 years.. gal 3: can be a problem only when read in isolation of other texts, use the same procedure as you would if someone said there was a contradiction with the gospels saying different things and ask them to read all four gospels to get the full picture, like wise with gal 3: which appears to be saying, by itself, that there are only 430 years between the circumcision covenant and the law covenant , read gen 47: and acts 7: to get a more complete picture of what paul has not said about 130 year old jacob's entry into egypt in the second year of famine.. to get the age of jacob start with 30 year old josephs age when he stood before the ruler of egypt and add the 9 year total of 7 years plenty plus two years famine which makes joseph 39, then take josephs 39 years off the age of 130 year old jacob to get 91 the age of jacob when joseph is born as jacob completes his 7 years work with laban for rachael.. jacob then agreed to work on for the beasts and he confirms he had worked a total of 20 years when laban caught up with him: 7 for leah, 7 for rachael, and 6 for the beasts.gen 31:38-41.. the key question when talking with jw's is how old was jacob when his name was changed, ask the questions and let them confirm from the book they trust what it really teaches.. terry.
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Greatest Proof for evolution!
by abiather in2014 was the worst year ever for terrorism: u.s. intel chief (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wrost-year-global-terrorism-2014-article-1.2130490).
terror attacks reached their highest number in 2014 since 45 years of its history.
in the first nine months of 2014, there were 13,000 terror acts that killed some 31,000 people!
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Witness My Fury
Blah blah blah, I dont know the 1st thing about evolution but still, blah blah blah, come join my cult, blah blah blah, you are all doomed, blah blah blah, come join my cult blah blah blah, science is bad, blah blah, blah, come join my cult, blah blah blah
Same shit different day, simon please kick these BK recruiter trolls.
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Advice needed on Crisis of Conscience
by cappytan inso, some of you may have seen my thread from yesterday about my wife waking up.. we had further discussion yesterday evening after i sent her the pbs video on the abuse scandals plaguing the watchtower.
she was so furious and pissed off at wt hq.
apparently a close relative of her's was abused by an elder and the only reason he was reproved and removed as an elder was because he confessed.
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Wait until you are face to face and you can judge her mood and reactions better before proceeding would be my advice.
I may have misunderstood and you are doing this face to face already, in which case leave it a few days or until she brings it up. SLOW is better than fast with this sort of thing it seems.
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Demon Watchtower Subliminal Images
by artcritic inits a long time since i posted here.
time is hard to get to do the things you would like.
some of you may be wondering if the watchtower are still placing demonic images in their publications here is a link judge for yourselves.
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Any twit can put a mirror on a page and make images that arent there.
All your twaddle in your reply above makes you sound like a fruitcake.
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The Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University Cult
by cofty inas an apocalyptic cult the brahma kumaris have some similarities to the watchtower.. they believe that all humans will die during an imminent and desirable end of the world they called destruction, in order that 900,000 faithful brahma kumari followers will inherit a heaven on earth before 2036.. to outsiders, bks refer to this event as a transformation and adherents are led to believe that a heavenly royal status can be achieved after it by donating money, free labor and unquestioning mental submission to the brahma kumari leadership, who will rule the world as emperors and empresses.
the brahma kumaris leadership has sought to cover up or deny child sex abuses at its headquarters, multiple suicides of followers at centers, financial corruption and abuses, immigration abuses, the persecution of minor or breakaway groups and the breaking up of families.. with echos of russell's divine plan of the ages, time, according to the brahma kumaris, is limited to a single, identically repeating, 5,000 year period called, the cycle in which human beings procreated by the power of mind for the first 2,500 years, and will do again from 2036, and the dinosaur period existed at the time of ancient greece.
likewise, in another 2,500 years into the future, brahma kumaris world spiritual university leaders teach that abraham, buddha, christ and mohammed will all be reborn again in order to start to teach, after having re-learnt their religion under them at this time.. the bkwsu leadership continues to financially benefit from their position by encouraging their adherents to a total mental, physical and financial surrender to their god.
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“Human aggression could bring civilisation and humanity to an end ,” says Stephen Hawking
by abiather inhuman aggression could bring civilisation and humanity to an end , says stephen hawking.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/stephen-hawking-space-travel-will-save-mankind-and-we-should-colonise-other-planets-10058811.html.
compare ecclesiastes 8:9.
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Witness My Fury
Cofty, already answered here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/120120001/my-mission-over
I began a diligent search for the right organization. My search ended with brahmakumaris
Abiathar, telling everyone you wont mention your organisation, when you never did anyway and would deny being connected with it in the 1st place appears to be a ploy to do just that, to mention your organisation.
Now you can claim that any preachy / anti science post you make (which lets face it is all of them) is following that ploy.
Are you so under mind control with this new cult that you just cant help yourself? How about a thread about something other than we are all doomed eh?
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WTS competition
by Half banana injust now 10am friday morning, had a phone call from central london to tell me that opposite the houses of parliament outside westminster tube station the wts (wobbly trolley society) are standing there being overshadowed by others with loudspeaker and taller placards declaring "jws are a cult".
sounds like fun!.
but will this sort of publicity harm or benefit the jw org?.
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A silent protest would be better, no need for the loud speakers at all for the reasons stuckinarut said... -
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My Mission is over!
by abiather inwhen i understood, jws are wrong in some vital areas [eg.
woman being viewed secondary, refusal to greet those differing with them ....], but right in other vital areas [such as their teaching that human rule is doomed, and will be replaced by gods rule], i began a diligent search for the right organization.
my search ended with brahmakumaris.
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Witness My Fury
You mean that your lies caught up with you and you've been outed as a cult recruiter here eh?
You left one cult and joined another, then made it your mission (or it was given to you as such) to come and preach here to your fellow ex-jws to save their souls to your new cult.
You need to take the time to build yourself a bullshit detector and learn how to use it otherwise you will always be vulnerable to some new or recycled bullshit.
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WT now promoting literature officially at book fairs
by StarTrekAngel incan there really be any doubt now on how commercial it is?
if you thought the new kh design seemed commercial in nature, now imagine one of those halls turned into a jw store.
we know they exist.
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I just puked a little in my mouth.
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REASON demands belief in God
by abiather init has been the history of mankind that they proceed from the crude to the subtle in all spheres of life: they seek the subtle amidst the crude, and in the subtle, they seek the subtlest.
when hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art.
ancient humans appreciated the harmony of music; they also liked to dance in joy.
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I'm with doofdaddy on this one, abiather is only here for cult recruitment purposes.